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    I 've just transferred In Vivo 12", So and Slow Orb mix and Nice From Here onto my computer via my new USB turntable. On the ipod these tracks sound just as good as anything that was directly transferred from CD. Now starts the long process of dealing with the rest of my 80s vinyl that I didn't replace with CD in the 90s.... Enjoyable, but time consuming!
    Why not just play the records on a turntable?
    Pretty hard to carry and power a turntable when you're say, on the bus, or out jogging.
    I find the most annoying part is trying to keep the platter level when I'm sitting on the subway and holding it on my lap.
    "Craig listed the Ambitious remix as not essential in Wireviews"
    I'd say that, in all honesty, that's a fair comment about the 18 min version. It's not a track I've listened to very often, but I wouldn't be without it, because I'm sad like that.

    I thought that the Silk Skin Paws b-sides were extra tracks on Bell, but I was wrong, obviously, which is a bit shame for anybody who hasn't heard them yet because they show those tracks in a different light. Personally, I'd like to hear the original live tracks before they got "It's begginning to"-ed.
    "I thought that the Silk Skin Paws b-sides were extra tracks on Bell, but I was wrong, obviously, which is a bit shame for anybody who hasn't heard them yet because they show those tracks in a different light"

    Mm. In fact, I'd say that for anyone who likes 80s Wire, the SSP single is an essential. Come Back is much improved, Ambitious is different (but good different), and German Shepherds is rather lovely. Woof!
    The Kidney Bingos b-sides are the ones that ended up on the Bell CD... a good thing, for Pieta is a "lost" gem.

    The In Vivo single is also interesting for the studio Illuminated (12"), which is a bit more chaotic than the IBTABA cut and begins with a drum pattern that evokes some Kate Bush song that I can't remember at the moment (not a hit, a b-side or album track or something? or is it Kate that evokes Wire?). Not sure what the 7" Illuminated yields, never did manage to catch that one. IBTABA version? Truncated take on the 12"?

    Agreed on the necessity of Silk Skin Paws. Each track is different than any proper CD release; no danger of overlap as with a few of the others. What I found most fascinating was the appearance of a few surprising Devo-ish synth patches (very intro of German Sheperds and Silk Skin Paws, though the latter may be a manipulated guitar) that surface and seem wildly out of place at first listen, but eventually blend in with the proceedings quite nicely.

    Another interesting peek into the process.
    It Seems You can still buy Bingos, Eardrum Buzz and In Vivo singles new from Mute but not this one.
    Just grab it from eBay—it's always on there.
    Or Amazon. I've bought dozens of out-of-print and new releases from lots of little stores and sellers through their "Marketplace"- they have seller feedback and item condition ratings, which is all taken quite seriously. I would say I only had a questionable transaction twice out of 100 purchases. One of them refunded my money right away and let me keep the (damaged, though not terminally) item.

    Yes, I still make the rounds and support the locally-owned record stores, but they are all doing the same thing and posting the good stuff online... and their in-store stock gets less and less interesting. Most of the Amazon Marketplace sellers are in the same boat, so I'm still supporting the little guy, just in all sorts of other cities!
    "Pretty hard to carry and power a turntable when you're say, on the bus, or out jogging. "

    One can always listen to the radio or tapes...

    The hiss on tapes is much nicer and easier on the ears than the horrible compression of MP3.
    One thing collectors need to be aware of, however, is the extremely fragile nature of the 'filofox' 3" SSP packaging. Mine fell to bits after a very short space of time, and I suspect many of those being sold second-hand will be in a similar state. (Personally, I don't give a monkey's about this, since the music's still fine, and deftly applied sticky tape seems to keep the thing together!)

    @B. Hell: "The hiss on tapes is much nicer and easier on the ears than the horrible compression of MP3."
    What horrible compression? Even audiophiles have almost no chance of detecting that an MP3 is being played when it's 'compressed' at 320kbps. You have to drop to around 160 or 128 before things start going really nasty.
    agreed, give me an mp3 player (I have a Sansa Fuze) any day over a cumbersome cassette player that one needs to carry around an assortment of cassettes, unless of course you wanna listen to the same tape all day, the f.m reception on the fuze is brilliant, o.k the screen is a little small for watching video's, but at least you can.
    The U.S. Enigma/Mute release of Silk Skin Paws comes in a slim plastic 5" case with full art, in case anyone is after a more "permanent" package for their Wire CD singles.

    As for the other thread:

    - Hiss is one thing, and quickly buried by the sound levels of many recordings. Tape stretch, flutter, azimuth, fast-forward and rewind... nope, I personally would never go back. I love having my entire Wire collection (amongst many, many others) available to me on the fly wherever I go. It allows me to wander through many brilliant moments effortlessly.

    - Radio isn't much use in our subways (Boston), though I can't speak for other cities.

    - Get off MP3! If this means re-ripping your collection, then I'm sorry, but at the very least MP4 at 128k is miles beyond MP3 and virtually eliminates those funny sibilant sounds that (especially older) MP3s are riddled with. Also works wonders for extending your dynamic range. MP4/AAC is much more widely accepted than it was when Apple/iTunes first started implementing it, and the bulk of newer players play them comfortably. If you're an Apple hater, Nero has a free utility that will compress in MP4/AAC and gets great reviews for sound quality from the "golden eared". From my own fussing I recommend MP4 at 224k for your average rock/pop/etc, and 320k for more delicate pieces (classical, etc.) Craig is correct, if you must use MP3, definitely stay at or above 192k (though don't wander into an audiophile forum and suggest that the difference is undetectable... woof).

    Disk space is dropping in price and rising in capacity by the day! The excuses for mangling our music collections with antique compression techniques and low bit rates are evaporating! Even the pre-release of One Of Us that we all fawned over was put out at 192k MP3. Yes, the difference between that and the disc is discernible, but at least it wasn't some dreadful ancient file that was scoured out of Napster in the bad old days of compressed sound...
    I'll toss an amusing one out there:

    Anyone ever pick up a copy of the The Ideal Copy on DAT?

    I don't know if Mute put out a version, but I know that Enigma Records (Wire's US distributor at the time until the label collapsed) definitely released this. Never seen one, don't have a DAT player, but it sure would be a fun rare Wire find.
    "(though don't wander into an audiophile forum and suggest that the difference is undetectable."
    Well, no, but as this shows, once you get to around 256, you're pretty much indistinguishable from the original. I've got all my MP3s on 192, but I'd re-rip at 320 these days. However, I don't hear AAC as being better than MP3 for the same bit-rate (exception: 128kbps and lower)—just slightly different.

    With tape, there was a certain joy to spending a day putting together a really good mix tape. That said, I'm happy to drag and drop tracks in iTunes, and spent my time doing more productive things.
    Oh, absolutely, I was not defending the "golden eared". The numbers are clear as crystal, and audiophile hysteria (remember, this is the group that painted green circles around their CDs because it somehow improved the sound quality) has a funny way of ignoring facts for vague descriptions of their perceived impressions. Double-blind test them, I always say, and see what happens. No, I'm not picking on the vinyl audiophiles - there is something to the sound of vinyl that I understand and respect (though not necessarily subscribe to as passionately as others). I'm referring to the ones who are convinced that they could never be 100% happy unless they are sitting in Studio Two with the original master tapes of Revolver playing on the same ancient equipment that it was recorded on.

    Ultimately, the merits of this format or that format are subjective. There are those that howl about any bit rate or compression type, and instead suggest something that you've tried and dismissed. Just offering my own suggestions and perceptions; though for the truly curious: it's not that tough to make a whole set of files from a favorite track and decide for oneself.

    I was only suggesting that should anyone start to do some research and inquiring about these things, you'll be barked right out of one of the snooty audio forums for even bringing up compression at all! Danger!

    Trust me.
    "Double-blind test them"

    To see if they can tell the difference between coat-hangers and absurdly expensive cabling, for example?

    Wonderful link!
    I'm no Audiophile, but I do a bit of DJ-ing with Ableton Live on a Laptop and you *really* notice the bitrate when its very loud out of big, unforgiving and usually crap PA system. 192 bare minimum you can get away with.
    That said, My co-DJ uses vinyl....we played at a party on Saturday and I had to bail him out at least twice when his vinyl pressings skipped or went skittering across with dust....we had everyone getting down to Peaches - Stranglers, and there was an audible 'awwwww' from the dancers when the record finally gave up! Rather sweet I don't get that with mp3. Mix it all up I say.