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    old as the hills. lou reed did that in "all thru the night" half a century ago.LOL.
    Isn't the use of 'LOL' banned around these parts? If not it fucking well should be.
    Not if we're talking about Godley & Creme it's not.
    'All Thru the Night'...there's a Lou Reed song that rarely gets a mention (though he used the background chatter device even earlier, on 'Kicks'). Those binaural recordings Lou did in the late '70s were interesting.
    How about The Velvet Underground's "Temptation Inside Of Your Heart"? Not quite the same (the random banter essentially being part of the song), but still a clear predecessor to some of Lou's later experiment's in that direction. Plus, it's very funny.

    That looks like it very well could be the '96 "Drill". It was, supposedly, on MTV Europe.

    Somewhat more on topic: I don't think that this is terribly controversial (is it?), but I'd opine that that the versions of those various songs on Coatings pretty much sweep the rug with the originals, with few exceptions.
    I prefer the original Serious of Snakes and Ambitious (and the Ambitios w/ Colin's vocal that's on the Silk Skin Paws EP), and I'm not that much of a fan of those versions of Drill or In Vivo. But apart from that, yes.
    Quite right about 'Temptation Inside of Your Heart', J.H.M.!
    How does everyone feel about the "IBTABA" version of 'German Shepherds'? I think it's far and away the best of the two interpretations of the song.
    yes, I was going to mention 'temptation' as well-- tho I think it wasn't intended to sound that way. unlike the VU's 'murder mystery' which has vocals on top of vocals. after recording 'temptation' I guess they thought it was too good to be an outtake.
    Reed also did a double album of stuff like this, 'take no prisoners', possibly the 1st ever Rap album. you can hear him lighting a match, commenting on the songs while he was playing them, insulting people, telling people to leave if they don't like it, etc.
    Actually, it was mainly "German Shepherds" which I was referring to when I said "exceptions", however entertaining Graham's demented spoken vocals are... It lacks most of the drama of the IBTABA take. And indeed, the versions of "In Vivo" and "Drill" are both pretty bizarre, although the quirky guitar extrapolations on the latter make up for the disconcerting vocal/drum effects.

    I do, however, have a special place in my heart for the alternate versions of "Ambitious" and "A Serious Of Snakes". And on the studio version of "Ambulance Chasers", even if you don't like what the band are doing, they at least sound like they know what they're doing, which they arguably do not on the earlier live take. Plus, the versions of "Boiling Boy" and "Kidney Bingos" are really lovely.

    Take No Prisoners was a live album, hence a tadge different. Same end result, in a way... As for the VU layering vocals, why not "Lady Godiva's Operation"? That said, "The Murder Mystery" is excellent. Very, very disturbed, in a more subtle way than that earlier song.
    I'll pull "Take No Prisoners" off the shelf every now and then, but I prefer the approach that Lou took on "Street Hassle" (retaining the foundation of live tracks and building on them in the studio) to the traditional live recording of "Take No Prisoners". Maybe a fan with a scholarly bent could write something about the similarities between "Street Hassle" and "IBTABA".
    The "IBTABA" version of 'German Shepherds' does something to me every time I hear has a late-autumn feeling, an atmosphere of desperation only just held in check.
    For me with German Shepards, it goes Coatings version, Silk Skin Paws version (studio version), IBTABA.

    Like most of the first half of IBTABA, it doesn't do much for me. That said, those versions of Illuminated, The Boiling Boy and Public Place are all good. Not the definitive versions of any, but good.
    I seem to remember reading they were recorded in more or less one take and are not in fact re-versioned tour material. Have I got this right, or is my brain making things up?
    IBTABA is quite the opposite.

    They're live recordings, heavily reworked in the studio.

    Really heavily reworked in most cases.
    No, I meant the second side of IBTABA was recorded more or less in one 'suite'.

    "KE: The album utilised live backing tracks that they performed over?

    PK: Well, one side of it was all four of them recorded live in the studio. It was a weird set up. The studio was down the end of the garden and they had this really beautiful recording area which was almost like a mediaeval court with balconies, a big wooden room where Wire set up and played. The studio hadn't ever thought anyone would want to record in this space and we saw it and said it was a wonderful space to record. We just literally fed mic cables into the room and set up a video link so we could see them from the control room. Wire were going to do a segueway of three tracks: Illuminated, Boiling Boy, and Over Theirs. Anyway, they started off and it was absolutely fantastic, they were playing brilliantly. They were halfway through the second piece and it was really hot in the control room so I went to turn the airconditioning on and the whole studio just died, the power went! I thought we'd got one and one-half brilliant tracks and I didn't want to lose that so what we decided to go from the beginning of the second track and edit them together. Fine, no problem. I then went up to the multi-track and asked for a blade, but all they could give me was a blunt Stanley knife. So we had a scout round and couldn't find a proper editing blade so I ended up doing it with a Gillette! I still can't hear the join. Then the band went in and layered on top of that. After that we left it up to John Fryer to sort it all out."
    Interesting. That also happens to be my favourite stretch of IBTABA. In particular, I find the pairing of the surprisingly sinister take of "Boiling Boy" and monolithic version of "Over Theirs" utterly scintillating.

    I don't believe I've heard the studio version of "German Shepherds". I feel, then, that I am at a loss. I have, however, heard the live (Buzz Buzz Buzz) version of "Ahead", which not only charges with the crazed (and warranted) conviction of some kind of musical Light Brigade, but further serves to confuse me as to why, exactly, anyone would attempt to sequence Robert's drumming. I get that it seemed like a good idea at the time, but really, why attempt to correct the imminently sublime...?
    The studio version of German Shepards is well worth the purchase if you can find it. My copy of the SSP EP was only £4 or so on ebay, 3" CD.

    Do you know if Buzz Buzz Buzz ever got a CD release? I'd love to hear a live versio of Ahead

    As for sequenced drumming, isn't the fact that they do more or less their own thing one of the reasons we like Wire in the first place?
    You can hear it here after Eardrum Buzz:
    I still think my favorite version of 'German Shepherds' is the SSP version (In fact I'd say the four versions on that EP are all top notch).

    I would love to be able to buy wav versions of the 'Buzz Buzz Buzz' ep... I used to own the 12" but left it in the UK when I moved to the States. Been searching online to see if I could find a recording of live 'Kidney Bingos' to play my wife, as I love the extended outro but can only find the first two tracks.

    (BTW: I am a child of 80's Wire).
    Those are both fantastic versions, especially Ahead. I've allways felt that a proper live album from the 80s would be great. From the few tracks I've heard, live they still had much of the heft that the studio recordings generally didn't.

    As for Robert's drumming, it's allways been top-notch to listen too. Indeed, no disrespect to Colin or Graham (or for that matter Bruce) but the most interesting person to watch on the Rockpalast DVD is Robert. He's just so into it, so on the money.
    The stuff he did with Fad Gadget isn't half bad, either.
    On a somewhat realted note, does anyone know what versions of Ahead and Serious of Snakes are on the Eardrum Buzz 12"/CD?
    Re: Eardrum Buzz CD - standard album versions of Ahead and Serious of Snakes.

    A live collection from the 80s would indeed be fantastic. The one boot that I have from 1988 has some gems despite the iffy sound quality.

    I still think Snakedrill through IBTABA (including the singles) are terrific as they are, high shine (or heft-free) and all, though I guess I can see why others feel those recordings might have been approached differently.

    Perhaps it was Bell being my introduction to Wire all those years ago and The A List as my next acquisition that set up a predisposition. If I had started with Pink/Chairs/154 would I feel differently about the rest? Maybe.

    Maybe not.


    Edited to add: why is it that whenever someone approaches the area of picking on Ideal and Bell for being too this or too that or lacking this or lacking that or "coulda been" etc. it goes right up my spine immediately and I go all defensive? It pains me when even Colin starts fussing about them not being what they should have, because for me those albums changed everything. Mercifully they're out there, they're never going away, and to hell with what everyone else thinks of them, but wow. Gets me every time.

    Are there therapists who specialize in neurotic record collectors?
    While "154" is my single favorite Wire album, I'm very fond of the '80s stuff, too (and happy to see 'German Shepherds' in the new setlist). I like the way the songs were constructed, the ever-more-ambitious lyrics, and the little touches--such as the acoustic guitar lines in 'Madman's Honey' and 'Public Place'--that hadn't been heard on a Wire record before.