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  1.  
    In the spirit of "as the results come in" the postie has also just delivered my package - same as M-Ray's above. Very handsome it is too. Neate's book has a pleasing heft to it
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    My bundle also arrived today, a delightful combination!
    Thanks to everyone involved for all the work and effort with these.
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    Those who have received the bundle with WN's book, are you in the UK or elsewhere? Just curious whether I should expect good news in Canada this upcoming week.
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    "The Rockfield Radiator Orchestra with 25 radiators could be an idea for the next performance"

    In fairness it probably could have been done at Heaven. I remember seeing all these bits of solid metal tubing all packed together on the bar backstage at Heaven - loads of em - enough for the Guitar Orchestra to bang them together for "Time Lock Fog" - I thought about it at the time but didn't speak up as I thought I would be sneered at for being stoopid.....
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    My book and CD/booklet arrived yesterday (East Midlands, UK) so they're clearly out now.

    First impressions of the big book are it's fascinating. I've had no time to listen to the CD so far though.
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    Dr. Medulla - I'm in Leeds, UK.
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    I'm in London and it didn't arrive yesterday - hopefully it'll be within the next couple of days
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    I'm in London and mine arrived yesterday - hope you get yours Monday Lee.

    The book is surprisingly heavy!
  9.  
    Some days back someone commented about what is the point of reviews and (by implication) reviewers:

    Robert Fripp esq. esteemed guitarist and diarist has recently proposed the following:

    1. Reviewers review themselves: they see in their nominal subjects what they know most deeply in themselves (usually unconsciously).

    2. In a tiny space in the middle, there is commentary neither positive nor negative.

    3. If you don’t give people what they want and/or expect, they will dislike you.

    4. If you do give people what they want and expect, they will criticize you for not innovating and creating.

    5. Creative action is impossible to predict and inherently mysterious.

    6. Then everything appears different, whether it is, or not.
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    "1. Reviewers review themselves: they see in their nominal subjects what they know most deeply in themselves (usually unconsciously)."

    Many years ago, a historian friend taught me that everything is autobiography. What we choose to write about and how we go about it is meant to satisfy something inside, either a lack or a pleasure. The author is always subject, all else object. A simple observation but massively influential in how I appraise others' work (as well as my own).
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    All Writing is Autobiography by Donald Murray
    Murray conceptualizes the notion that all that we write about is autobiographical. He comments on his own work that his voice, his history, his life cannot be ignored when reading his writing. Murray inherently writes that he plays the same tune with each piece of writing regardless of the genre.

    Murray relates how we all have a particular way of looking at the world and of communicating what we see with language. This perception that we have of the world and our expression of it is wholly unique to our individuality, or history and our personality. He says that we often return to the same topics and conversations, we are working out our pasts, our families, or histories.

    Our writing reflects our dreams, our failures and our obsessions. It is an expression of all that we are, and in truth all that we see to be true in the world. It is our truth, revealed through the lens of our perception. We make meaning out of our lives through the therapy of this autobiography.
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    Basically, Kevin, it seems that writing or making art or music is one's way of meditating their reality. How could it be otherwise?
    If they're any good like Wire, Bowie, PIL, then others find it interesting, insightful, or having entertainment value. Sometimes al 3 if they really good!

    The point about *critics* is the need to get the facts right. I've read countless times recently about Bowie's " massive heart attack" for the reason he stopped making music + performing. The truth is nobody can speak about Bowie's health condition or the reason he took a break from the music business except Bowie himself.
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    Agree with all above. If all writing is autobiography (and I don't necessarily agree with that premise) then where do the lyrics for Eels Sang Lino and the original Zegk Hoqp come into it? (Graham are you there?)

    "making art or music is one's way of meditating their reality"
    Totally agree with that and Morse Peckham's theory that art is made as a safety net where we can work out the more perilous problems of human existence. As well as cognitive dissonance theory etc.
  14.  
    "the need to get the facts right"

    Again, I saw a rather oddball take on the lyrics to CBU earlier: Resistance is futile/We got rights to kill. Er, no. And the lyrics are ALL ON THE WEBSITE. Gah.
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    Kevin wrote:
    "If all writing is autobiography (and I don't necessarily agree with that premise) then where do the lyrics for Eels Sang Lino and the original Zegk Hoqp come into it?"

    Graham is quoted in the CBU book: "You start off playing with the language and eventually you end up with new material, which you couldn't possibly have come up with otherwise. ... Because that is what you are doing, getting to another place."

    I think that the (fairly oblique) strategies like using anagrams, or fixing the number of syllables in a text before writing it, are attempts to step outside the self (which may have autobiographic significance, too).
  16.  
    acrmcr wrote:
    "Can anybody report back on what the CBU book is like?"

    In mundane terms, it's a superb-quality hardback book, 18 cm square, with the CD presented in an ordinary clear plastic wallet inside the back cover. The packaging is better than for any other Wire album, even Manscape. Each song has a page for lyrics and instrumental credits, again more detailed (right down to the Mellotron sounds used) than any other Wire album I can remember.

    There is an historical introduction, written by "Wire" (presumably Colin), but the centrepiece is a piece by Mike Barnes about the making of the album accompanied by dozens of b/w photos of the band members in the studio. It's much more extensive than regular album sleeve notes, with many quotes from the band members, but there's only a little analysis of the music and text. The philosophy behind the album and the band itself, which bears fruit in Colin's lyrics for "& Much Besides" was discussed more fully in the BBC 6Music interview.

    As a limited edition (1000) object, it's a very nice item to have but I don't think it's needed in order to enjoy the album fully.
  17.  
    Docket came yesterday - picked up special edition and Read & Burn book this morning. Lovely!
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    Thanks for citing the Murray essay, Kevin. I found a copy online, and it's a very nice thought piece.
  19.  
    So apparently I ordered the Change Becomes Us Special Edition CD Album that cost £25.00, without the WN book. Anyone in North America order and receive that yet?

    Edited to add: got it today. On first listen, worth the wait.
  20.  
    Got the CBU special edition CD / book this week, featuring a rather bizarre tear to pages 45/46. A whole section of the lower part of the page has been ripped out, so that the page number of the following page is clearly visible - 47. It has so obviously been deliberately ripped out - has anyone else got anything similar with their copy?