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    Not a damn thing wrong with Judge Judy.
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    Judge Judy ( hardcore judge from NY) it's a pisser!. it's on lydon's website( or youtube). lydon is dressed like he's fixin' to be hanged. black shirt (out of his trousers) black tie. she has a reputation for a being a nasty, mouthy hardcore bitch! very funny stuff.......
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    Most of the first wave of AOR was created by industry veterans in their thirties and perhaps one of the reasons we hated what we thought was old people's music when we were growing up was the we hadn't the slightest idea what it was like to be old(er).
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    who mentioned AOR?!?!? speak to any music lover of any generation & 90% will respond saying that didnae like the music that had gone b4 them - it's a young v old thing. if your definition of AOR is those bands of session musicians like Boston, Toto or rubbish like Michael Bolton & Phil Collins, then i don't suppose any1 likes 'em - apart from those people in the 10% - & no-one takse what they say seriously!
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    Boston was very popular back in the punk heyday 1977-1980.
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    they had 1 chart hit (which i rated big time) - to say they were popular? hmm not so sure about that!
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    Boston had two top ten records in America and 2 top twenty records in the UK. They sold 50 million records. Not sure of your definition of popular. Boston was an album band, not singles. Your whole "young vs. old" thing is sorta vague. I find just as many kids now into The Doors or Zeppelin, or into punk, which is almost 30 years old now, than into something new (i.e. MGMT or Crystal Castles). The original quote was talking about music made in the late 1970s. It was made by session guys who really had the chops. I wasn't into Steely Dan or America back then, because I was 15. But that music was very popular at the time, even with people my age. I was lucky to find something like the Ramones because it spoke to my experience. And Boston didn't. I like to listen to Steely Dan and America now.
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    when i was 16/18 i was listening to Led Zep, Bad Co, Pink Floyd AND Pistols, Clash, Stranglers et al. at the same time i liked Steely Dan & i liked More Than A Feeling, but hated everything else they done. it's kinda whether yer open to owt new, but.....i dare say that the vast majority of people on a forum such as this, no matter what age, like somat with an edge, somat challenging. Boston & their ilk are best desribed as lift/wallpaper muzak - best left in the background, cos when u sit down & listen to it, it leaves you empty.

    both the new bands you mentioned are just the Abba of today (but without the hits), just pure pop pap with no edge.
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    They are the Abba of today? They are from Sweden too?
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    Steely Dan fall into that category of artists who aren't presented in a particularly cool way, and have some very mainstream leanings and can regularly be heard on daytime commercial radio. Their best music overall transcends notions of cool/mainstream/underground. Kate Bush is another prime example. The Beach Boys are another. Chic are another.
    Abba also to a certain extent, your mum loves them but so does Thurston Moore.
    J. Rotten is of course a massive Kate Bush fan.

    I love edgy, challenging music but I also love a big, brassy, well-constructed Pop.

    Check the contents of Colin's Ipod for a good example of a well balanced musical diet.
    http://www.myspace.com/Headgit
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    interesting he likes bands as diverse as Jefferson Airplane and NY Dolls, two of my old faves.

    Colin, if i may suggest, you might want consider adding M.I.A, the sri lankan rapper chick and a newish band i've been digging lately, Neptune (from boston). they make all their own instruments and electronics. also lou reed and john zorn's latest thing,
    an all instrumental cd called The Stone Vol. 3.
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    Larry - they might as well be 4 all i care aboot 'em!

    i have a few Steely Dan lp's, i have several Sonic Youth lp's, i have 1 Chic lp & 1 comp lp each of NYD's, Bush & Jefferson Airplane. I have no Beach Boys or Abba.

    what that says about me, i don't know, but similarly i have 3 Barry Manilow 7" singles, 2 Michael Jackson lp's, about 40 T. & Tyrannosauras Rex lp's & singles, most of Led Zep & PF's output & the entire catalogue of Songdog & Tindersticks cd's.

    i think the point i'm making here is that any1 person can have a diverse tatse in music & they're to be commended for that. AT the same time i am quite happy to accept any condemnation that any1 cares top throw at me about owt in my collection (wrt, say, Manilow, MJ & maybe Chic, PF & Zep), cos i know that by the people whom i group myself among they are, perhaps quite rightly, reviled. also that if any1 attacks them i do not take it personally - i might put up a valid & energetic defence, but that's what discussion's all about.

    just reread this & it's a bit of a ramble, but i'm still gonna post it, so feel free to a) delete it, b) castigate me enormously.

    This has less to do with Magazine than thet punk debate. vastly less interesting also, but no matter......
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    I think this 'conversation' is as old as the hills,I remember some years back posing to the list that it seemed to me that folk on the list were becoming their fathers insofar as they were 'knocking' some of the new music/musicians of the day.
    sure 'pop' is 'pop', it's meant to be for the generation of the day, so it's o.k not to like it if you're no longer a teenager, but the 'serious' new music of the day is another matter and shouldn't be shrugged off so lightly, my own music collection has everything from Arvo Part to Stockhousen to Zappa to Zorn to Philip Glass, not to mention the myriad of punk/punk influenced/alt./alt country/ jazz and blues in my collection, just because it's old doesn't mean it's insignificant or not relevant anymore, likewise with new music.
    If it sounds good it is good, there are 'genre's' out there I have very little time for, but even within those genre's there's oft 'something' I like.
    we should all listen with an open mind and at least 'try' to understand where the musics coming from and what the musician is trying to do/tell us.
    I dare say some of the music of 'the south' (I live in North Carolina) would leave some of you cold and some of you rockin' 'till the sun came up, it's as different as anything you're likely to hear, yet it's as good as hell.
    broaden your horizon guys, you'll be amazed at what you'll find over the hill.in other words don't be so 'one track' minded.
    On another note, I know the 'theme' of this link was to discuss 'magazine', but it sees to have morphed into a literal 'Magazine' where all topics are welcome, I for one vote we keep it going.................
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    Ari - The Immortal Lee County Killers are from down your way i believe? they kick ass - they still going?
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    see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Immortal_Lee_County_Killers
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    Shame - especially as i only stumbled across them a year or so ago. their site, which is still up, is rather uninformative on that front!
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    My dad said I am a poseur. He said he won WWII.
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    ignore your dad alexander, be your own man.
    as for winning ww2, he's wrong y'know, I did, so there.............. (noise of a 'raspberry' heard in the distance)
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    Lets get back ON TOPIC here!

    In September I interviewed Howard Devoto and Dave Formula of Magazine for Flux magazine. The editor wanted only 1750 words and many more were spoken. So here are the out-takes and a few quotes that I paraphrased for brevity. The next Flux should hit the stores in late December or early January. Their PR man Nigel Proctor also scotched one rumour about the guitarist before the interview began. It is not Johnny Marr. My money would be on Pete Shelley, but you never know!

    The full transcript will appear on perfectsoundforver.com by and by. Until then, Jokers, you will just have to do THE WAIT!
    I'll send out excerpts to The Gathering and mark them {MA} so that any Gatherer dumb enough to have no interest in Magazine can ignore them!

    Lets go...!

    The obvious question I'm sure everyone is asking you is who is going to play guitar at these gigs in February?

    Dave Formula: We don't know yet. We've started to narrow it down. We've got a mental shortlist and we'll get together with the people that we decide are on that shortlist and spend a couple of days playing. You can't just decide and then that's it, you've got nowhere else to go. I think we need to play together for at least a little while so we can see if it works for us and the guitar player. We don't want them to just turn up and do it. We want to know what its going to feel and sound like.

    It won't be anyone who's played in Magazine before?

    DF: You're trying to chip away there and get more information, very clever!

    Howard Devoto: What a ruse! It hasn't been tried before.

    DF: Honestly, as soon as we rehearse in October we will say but it's kind of pointless saying now for the people who don't do it, for their reasons or our reasons. It's obviously very important to see if it works for us all.

    What label was your solo album released on?

    DF: It's not out yet. I'm not sure yet which label will release it. There are a couple of options. It'll either be EMI or Wire Sound.

    Wire sound? That reminds me of something else. You should check out the new Wire album "Object 47" because the second track "Circumspect" has a guitar part that sounds very much like the keyboards on "Vigilance." I mentioned it to Colin Newman and he made the sarcastic riposte that everything Wire has ever done has been a Magazine rip off.

    DF: We used to meet up with them in Europe just by chance at airports and in bars and stuff. It always seemed to be in transit when we met them and they were quite good fun.

    There is an old vinyl bootleg called "Dominoe" that has Magazine on one side and wire on the other.

    DF: Oh really? I didn't know.

    Magazine are definitely the most popular other band amongst hardcore wire fans.

    DF: We made some sort of natural connection.

    I think its down to level of intelligence.

    DF: Maybe.

    What have you been asked most? I bet it's who is going to play guitar?

    DF: Why are you doing it and who is playing guitar? Of course, it's almost like get those questions out of the way and then we can talk about other stuff.

    Those Magazine albums have changed the way I think about the world which is a great thing when art does that.

    DF: That's great, yeah. Fantastic! We didn't plan this thing happening, us playing again. All of us had been so far away until I asked Barry initially if he'd play on my album, and then John, and I finally approached Howard with some trepidation as he'd been so long away from it. Barry had a very successful career with music and John the drummer was still playing, and I was, but Howard wasn't. It took a while preparing but what he came up with was very moving, a very beautiful piece. My album is called "Satellite Sweetheart."

    Do you still live in Manchester?

    DF: No, we all moved down to London in 79 and in the mid-nineties I had a family and moved to Lincolnshire.

    Howard still lives in London doesn't he?

    DF: Yeah. Barry's there too and John Doyle is living in Sussex.

    Was there ever any resentment towards Siouxsie and the Banshees when John McGeoch left Magazine to play guitar for them?

    DF: Not resentment, but I didn't feel that they were my favourite basket of kittens, that's for sure! It was John's decision in the end.

    "Ju Ju" is their best album.

    DF: Yeah, absolutely, it's a good album.
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    Who is going to play guitar?